Post by Totems4jt on Jul 15, 2008 8:27:03 GMT -5
Jay Tavare
May 21, 07 - 10:23 PM Coming of Age.
This past week I had the pleasure of witnessing an ancient and sacred ritual. The "Puberty Ceremony" as it was known, is a 4 day feast that celebrates a young ladies passage into womenhood. Twyla Rayne Ahidley Enjady is an Apache princess in my eyes. She's a direct descendent of Cochise and Naiche, his eldest son. The ceremony was held at white Tail, a mountainous area ( over 9000, feet ) high up the wooded hills of White Tail Forest that is the home of bears, eagles, cougars and Elks. It was the settlement the government gave to the Chiricahua Apaches, who were welcomed to the area by the Mescalero Apaches, on their return after 28 years of captivity. I was greeted with so much warmth and love by Chales & Elbys Hugar and her family who always make me feel as one with them. The sacred ceremony reminded me how important it is to awaken the young mind of the fact that as they reach adulthood, it is a responsibility and they must know they are vital and valuable to the tribe. It was a magical time as I slept in a teepee every night and lived my days traditionally meeting the people and helping out where I could. I listened to elders and danced around the massive fire beneath the star-studded skies. The Crown Dancers kept the bad spirits at bay as I heard ancient songs that re-created the World, from top of the mountains, to the bottom of the oceans. And all the creatures that roam this Earth from the birds of the sky to the bugs that crawl the underworld. All done in hypnotic songs, that the four medicine men chanted all night long. Twyla looked so beautiful as she danced the night away in her sacred lodge and I wish her a bright and happy future. She is a life giver now and a vital member of the Apache Nation. I like to thank Debi for all her help and Jerry for making my visit so special.
Nan dolsh tash.
JT>
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Shannon Noelle
May 22nd, 2007 - 2:07 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Thank you so much for sharing your beautiful memories of your experiences this past week with us! It's so sweet of you to be so kind and giving to your fans.
(I'm new to the board and am so glad to have found this wonderful web site.) Jay, you are SO talented and I look forward to all of your future projects!
Shannon Noelle
Michigan
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~Moni_Bella~
May 22nd, 2007 - 5:42 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi Jay!
Thank you for sharing. I always love your storytelling and the way you express yourself when doing so. You capture every detail, and I can image all that you have seen and heard. I'm sure it was a wonderful and fulfilling experience for you.
Thanks!
~Moni_Bella~
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Shay
May 22nd, 2007 - 6:58 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Jay, what a wonderful experience and what a blessing that some cultures are still doing the things they did in the past. We should never forget where we come from so it's refreshing when one keep the traditions or at least some of the traditions passed down from generations. I'm glad you got a chance to be a part of that and for sharing with us. Be blessed.
Shay
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Running Red Fox (Forum Hostess)
May 22nd, 2007 - 9:03 AM Coming of Age.
Hello Shannon Noelle & welcome to. We hope to see more posts from you around the forum.
Hi Jay, it is so great to read about your amazing experience with the Apache Tribe and the “Puberty Ceremony. “ …Tis true, you are one of the best storytellers out there as I can envision each activity as I was reading your words. Thank you for sharing.
Congratulations to Twyla and family.
RRF
Forum Hostess
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Shannon Noelle
May 22nd, 2007 - 4:55 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi! Thank you so much for your nice welcome to Jayland! I look forward to chatting with everyone about Jay and his great career!
Thanks so much again!
Shannon Noelle
hollywoodglamourgirl@yahoo.com
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Cvia
May 22nd, 2007 - 2:42 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi Jay: how fortunate you are to be able to experience these wonderful traditions! What a lovely way to remind youth of the responsibilities of adulthood.
Cvia
cvia_pisces@yahoo.ca
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Demeter
May 22nd, 2007 - 3:24 PM Re: Coming of Age.
I'm glad you had such a fulfilling experience in Apache country and at the ceremony. Thanks for sharing!
GLOOM WARNING
Not to spoil anyone's good mood but your report comes at a good time too as the past few days have been overshadowed by the latest news of a young girl being stoned to death just for being seen in the company of a man of the (in someone's mind) "wrong" faith. Apart from the shock and outrage at this particular incident it seems to have made quite a few people wonder if not despair about what might seem like a general misogynistic state of the world...
For some of the discussion:
www.exisle.net/mb/index.php?showtopic=45871
GLOOM OUT
That said, it's good to be reminded that there were and are cultures and occasions that embrace and celebrate the feminine...
"The sacred ceremony reminded me, how important it is to awaken the young mind of the fact, that as they reach adult hood, it is a responsibility and they must know they are vital and valuable to the tribe."
Indeed, it seems common to all the old North American cultures (and I'm applauding them for that) that while the good of the community as a whole is a priority they still hold the individual in high regard and encourage each and every one to discover and develop whatever particular abilities or skills they might have and with their individuality contribute to the benefit of all.
I guess a lot of the problems with violence, addictions etc. we perceive especially in young people today probably stem from people lacking a real sense of responsibility and worth both towards/within themselves and as part of the society they live in.
Excuse my rant, I didn't mean to be a downer after such an uplifting post...(and I hope I made some kind of sense at least... )
Actually my point was: People can go horribly horibly wrong BUT there are also always some people who actually DO get things right!
BTW, Jay, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for that Cochise project you mentioned in the NAICA podcast. May it actually really happen sometime in the hopefully not too distant future!
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Seania
May 22nd, 2007 - 5:33 PM Re: Coming of Age.
I too, second the opinions of those previously stated. I find wonderment in learning about other cultures and rights/acts within those cultures.
My only regret, not to have been able to physically be there to share in the experience. Especially one that celebrates life itself.
Wado (Cherokee for 'thank you'), Jay.
Blessings,
Sea~
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Miss Davis - a.k.a. "Five Shrieks"
May 22nd, 2007 - 6:32 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Wow. Obviously, that was a wonderful experience for you. Thank you for sharing it. I would have loved to witness that, and of course, being the clueless person I am, ask plenty of questions. I can only imagine how beautiful it was.
Miss Davis
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Bluehawk
May 22nd, 2007 - 8:04 PM Re: Coming of Age.
It brought a very warm and reassuring feeling to my heart that these rites go on; and are never-changing . The past is kept sacred; threaded through the present and spreads it's wings on into the future....
In this changing world of discord and strife that's upon us, it truly is a never-ending strong Fire. +
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Michaelle Kelly
May 22nd, 2007 - 9:23 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi Jay,
Thanks for sharing your wonderful experience with us. I'm happy to hear you had a great time.
Take care,
Mica
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Windsong
May 23rd, 2007 - 8:41 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Wow!! what a wonderful experience Jay, thanks so much for sharing it with us.... in my mind it played like a movie.... Beautiful indeed!!
Welcome to the new fans... hope you all enjoy this site as much as the rest of us have....
~Windsong
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Summer Breeze
May 23rd, 2007 - 10:33 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Thanks Jay! What a beautiful passage.
Summer Breeze
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Lisa
May 23rd, 2007 - 12:12 PM Re: Re: Traditions are awesome
Jay,
I agree with Shay and all the other ladies that the traditions handed down from generation to generation is awesome. As in the Italian traditions, this is a cause of much celebration. The woman is the giver of life. She should bring many riches to her family.
I would very much like to see a traditional "indian courting and wedding ceremony". They are said to be beautiful and elegantly simple.
Thanks for sharing Jay!
Lisa
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Yolanda Khayyam
May 23rd, 2007 - 5:46 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi Jay,
Thanks for sharing with us. You really are an awesome storyteller. You express yourself very well and give wonderful details. I could picture it all as if I were there.
Yolanda
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Christi
May 24th, 2007 - 11:00 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Hello Peeps!
Jay,
This is one of the best things you've ever talked about on here. Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful experience.
Christi
seven3_ad@yahoo.com
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sh mo / blueJay
May 24th, 2007 - 8:31 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Thanks Mr. Tavare, very good news to hear!!!!
9,000 feet?
!!!!!!!! And people were DANCING?? That is some altitude. More power to all.
'stay golden'
sharon
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Surferdame
May 25th, 2007 - 6:01 AM ROCK ON JAY
I think it's great that you had the opportunity to go to what seems like a beautifuls experience . Man it must have been amazing.ROCK ON CACIQUE. These are the experiences that make life so sweet.
Ciao,
SD
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Linda K.
May 25th, 2007 - 4:20 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Jay,
It must have been a wonderful experience for you to have been apart of this sacred ritual that is a part of your heritage and will always live in your memory.
Thanks for sharing it with your fans. May you have many more to experience in life.
Louisville Kentucky
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Carol aka The Empress
May 26th, 2007 - 11:04 PM Re: Coming of Age.
3 Thumbs Up!!!!
May 21, 07 - 10:23 PM Coming of Age.
This past week I had the pleasure of witnessing an ancient and sacred ritual. The "Puberty Ceremony" as it was known, is a 4 day feast that celebrates a young ladies passage into womenhood. Twyla Rayne Ahidley Enjady is an Apache princess in my eyes. She's a direct descendent of Cochise and Naiche, his eldest son. The ceremony was held at white Tail, a mountainous area ( over 9000, feet ) high up the wooded hills of White Tail Forest that is the home of bears, eagles, cougars and Elks. It was the settlement the government gave to the Chiricahua Apaches, who were welcomed to the area by the Mescalero Apaches, on their return after 28 years of captivity. I was greeted with so much warmth and love by Chales & Elbys Hugar and her family who always make me feel as one with them. The sacred ceremony reminded me how important it is to awaken the young mind of the fact that as they reach adulthood, it is a responsibility and they must know they are vital and valuable to the tribe. It was a magical time as I slept in a teepee every night and lived my days traditionally meeting the people and helping out where I could. I listened to elders and danced around the massive fire beneath the star-studded skies. The Crown Dancers kept the bad spirits at bay as I heard ancient songs that re-created the World, from top of the mountains, to the bottom of the oceans. And all the creatures that roam this Earth from the birds of the sky to the bugs that crawl the underworld. All done in hypnotic songs, that the four medicine men chanted all night long. Twyla looked so beautiful as she danced the night away in her sacred lodge and I wish her a bright and happy future. She is a life giver now and a vital member of the Apache Nation. I like to thank Debi for all her help and Jerry for making my visit so special.
Nan dolsh tash.
JT>
___________________________________________________
Shannon Noelle
May 22nd, 2007 - 2:07 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Thank you so much for sharing your beautiful memories of your experiences this past week with us! It's so sweet of you to be so kind and giving to your fans.
(I'm new to the board and am so glad to have found this wonderful web site.) Jay, you are SO talented and I look forward to all of your future projects!
Shannon Noelle
Michigan
___________________________________________________
~Moni_Bella~
May 22nd, 2007 - 5:42 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi Jay!
Thank you for sharing. I always love your storytelling and the way you express yourself when doing so. You capture every detail, and I can image all that you have seen and heard. I'm sure it was a wonderful and fulfilling experience for you.
Thanks!
~Moni_Bella~
___________________________________________________
Shay
May 22nd, 2007 - 6:58 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Jay, what a wonderful experience and what a blessing that some cultures are still doing the things they did in the past. We should never forget where we come from so it's refreshing when one keep the traditions or at least some of the traditions passed down from generations. I'm glad you got a chance to be a part of that and for sharing with us. Be blessed.
Shay
___________________________________________________
Running Red Fox (Forum Hostess)
May 22nd, 2007 - 9:03 AM Coming of Age.
Hello Shannon Noelle & welcome to. We hope to see more posts from you around the forum.
Hi Jay, it is so great to read about your amazing experience with the Apache Tribe and the “Puberty Ceremony. “ …Tis true, you are one of the best storytellers out there as I can envision each activity as I was reading your words. Thank you for sharing.
Congratulations to Twyla and family.
RRF
Forum Hostess
____________________________________________________
Shannon Noelle
May 22nd, 2007 - 4:55 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi! Thank you so much for your nice welcome to Jayland! I look forward to chatting with everyone about Jay and his great career!
Thanks so much again!
Shannon Noelle
hollywoodglamourgirl@yahoo.com
____________________________________________________
Cvia
May 22nd, 2007 - 2:42 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi Jay: how fortunate you are to be able to experience these wonderful traditions! What a lovely way to remind youth of the responsibilities of adulthood.
Cvia
cvia_pisces@yahoo.ca
___________________________________________________
Demeter
May 22nd, 2007 - 3:24 PM Re: Coming of Age.
I'm glad you had such a fulfilling experience in Apache country and at the ceremony. Thanks for sharing!
GLOOM WARNING
Not to spoil anyone's good mood but your report comes at a good time too as the past few days have been overshadowed by the latest news of a young girl being stoned to death just for being seen in the company of a man of the (in someone's mind) "wrong" faith. Apart from the shock and outrage at this particular incident it seems to have made quite a few people wonder if not despair about what might seem like a general misogynistic state of the world...
For some of the discussion:
www.exisle.net/mb/index.php?showtopic=45871
GLOOM OUT
That said, it's good to be reminded that there were and are cultures and occasions that embrace and celebrate the feminine...
"The sacred ceremony reminded me, how important it is to awaken the young mind of the fact, that as they reach adult hood, it is a responsibility and they must know they are vital and valuable to the tribe."
Indeed, it seems common to all the old North American cultures (and I'm applauding them for that) that while the good of the community as a whole is a priority they still hold the individual in high regard and encourage each and every one to discover and develop whatever particular abilities or skills they might have and with their individuality contribute to the benefit of all.
I guess a lot of the problems with violence, addictions etc. we perceive especially in young people today probably stem from people lacking a real sense of responsibility and worth both towards/within themselves and as part of the society they live in.
Excuse my rant, I didn't mean to be a downer after such an uplifting post...(and I hope I made some kind of sense at least... )
Actually my point was: People can go horribly horibly wrong BUT there are also always some people who actually DO get things right!
BTW, Jay, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for that Cochise project you mentioned in the NAICA podcast. May it actually really happen sometime in the hopefully not too distant future!
____________________________________________________
Seania
May 22nd, 2007 - 5:33 PM Re: Coming of Age.
I too, second the opinions of those previously stated. I find wonderment in learning about other cultures and rights/acts within those cultures.
My only regret, not to have been able to physically be there to share in the experience. Especially one that celebrates life itself.
Wado (Cherokee for 'thank you'), Jay.
Blessings,
Sea~
____________________________________________________
Miss Davis - a.k.a. "Five Shrieks"
May 22nd, 2007 - 6:32 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Wow. Obviously, that was a wonderful experience for you. Thank you for sharing it. I would have loved to witness that, and of course, being the clueless person I am, ask plenty of questions. I can only imagine how beautiful it was.
Miss Davis
___________________________________________________
Bluehawk
May 22nd, 2007 - 8:04 PM Re: Coming of Age.
It brought a very warm and reassuring feeling to my heart that these rites go on; and are never-changing . The past is kept sacred; threaded through the present and spreads it's wings on into the future....
In this changing world of discord and strife that's upon us, it truly is a never-ending strong Fire. +
____________________________________________________
Michaelle Kelly
May 22nd, 2007 - 9:23 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi Jay,
Thanks for sharing your wonderful experience with us. I'm happy to hear you had a great time.
Take care,
Mica
___________________________________________________
Windsong
May 23rd, 2007 - 8:41 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Wow!! what a wonderful experience Jay, thanks so much for sharing it with us.... in my mind it played like a movie.... Beautiful indeed!!
Welcome to the new fans... hope you all enjoy this site as much as the rest of us have....
~Windsong
___________________________________________________
Summer Breeze
May 23rd, 2007 - 10:33 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Thanks Jay! What a beautiful passage.
Summer Breeze
___________________________________________________
Lisa
May 23rd, 2007 - 12:12 PM Re: Re: Traditions are awesome
Jay,
I agree with Shay and all the other ladies that the traditions handed down from generation to generation is awesome. As in the Italian traditions, this is a cause of much celebration. The woman is the giver of life. She should bring many riches to her family.
I would very much like to see a traditional "indian courting and wedding ceremony". They are said to be beautiful and elegantly simple.
Thanks for sharing Jay!
Lisa
___________________________________________________
Yolanda Khayyam
May 23rd, 2007 - 5:46 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Hi Jay,
Thanks for sharing with us. You really are an awesome storyteller. You express yourself very well and give wonderful details. I could picture it all as if I were there.
Yolanda
__________________________________________________
Christi
May 24th, 2007 - 11:00 AM Re: Coming of Age.
Hello Peeps!
Jay,
This is one of the best things you've ever talked about on here. Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful experience.
Christi
seven3_ad@yahoo.com
____________________________________________________
sh mo / blueJay
May 24th, 2007 - 8:31 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Thanks Mr. Tavare, very good news to hear!!!!
9,000 feet?
!!!!!!!! And people were DANCING?? That is some altitude. More power to all.'stay golden'
sharon
___________________________________________________
Surferdame
May 25th, 2007 - 6:01 AM ROCK ON JAY
I think it's great that you had the opportunity to go to what seems like a beautifuls experience . Man it must have been amazing.ROCK ON CACIQUE. These are the experiences that make life so sweet.
Ciao,
SD
___________________________________________________
Linda K.
May 25th, 2007 - 4:20 PM Re: Coming of Age.
Jay,
It must have been a wonderful experience for you to have been apart of this sacred ritual that is a part of your heritage and will always live in your memory.
Thanks for sharing it with your fans. May you have many more to experience in life.
Louisville Kentucky
____________________________________________________
Carol aka The Empress
May 26th, 2007 - 11:04 PM Re: Coming of Age.
3 Thumbs Up!!!!